tv CNN Tonight With Don Lemon CNN January 28, 2020 7:00pm-8:00pm PST
thank you very much for being with us. tonight i want to get to don lemon. "cnn tonight." this is something that me and him have been talking about. because we love each other very much and we cherish having time with each other. it's occasions like this the first thing he said when we were processing the kobe was gone. >> first text to chris cuomo. >> don't go anywhere. i love you. i said that. you said why do i have to be the one who's going to be gone. >> you said something -- you want me to share? you said stop it. you said i live hard. i attack every moment and i live hard because i know i'm not going to live long. >> that's not how i feel. i try to do it now. i try to make sure, you know this. i try to be the best i can to my
friends and deal with flaws in realtime. i try to love my family as best i can. when i mess up i try to make up for it. there's no guarantee. i have a sense of desperation. i'm so for giving of you. i don't have time to be mad at you i love you too much. >> i do the same thing. and i'll address some of my flaws later on in the show. i agree with you. i said to you, i really mean this. i have told a number of my friends and how many examples do we need to present themselves that life is fragile. i lost my sister and dad. my step dad. my real dad. my grandmother. how many -- and i have been dealing with this thing with what am i going to do with moving on and getting married. you have to live every moment.
you have to live your life as if it's your last day. i don't mean that in ha dismal way. in a happy way. live it as if it's the last day. when i see you i have to walk past his pod when i come in. and i sooee this ugly guy every day. it pains me but i give him a hug and i run away so he doesn't bother me. >> i do love you. and i'm happy that with e get to be with each other here. opportunity we don't get with a will t lot of friends. >> people understand that live, live, live, live. and to kobe's family, i really our hearts and thoughts and prayers are going out. especially his wife. i can't imagine. >> too many kids are gone and young families. are broken up. it's terrible. >> on now to the business we
need to take care of. this is "cnn tonight."
the impeachment trial moving into a whole new phase with 16 hours of questions and answers beginning tomorrow afternoon. ultimately this trial hinges on the question of witnesses. it's really interesting we're talking about a trial and wondering is there witnesses in the trial. seems odd. mcconnell telling republicans dhint have the votes to block bolton or other witnesses from testifying. with several gop senators
non-committal it could go either way. senators are working over time to come up with reasons for not calling bolton to testify. not letting him tell them what he knows and under oath. lindsey graham seems to think the senate would be drowning in witnesses. >> there's going to be a bunch of witnesses if there's one. and we don't need anymore. >> that maybe the main gop talking point.
mcconnell warning senators letting bolton testify could lead to more witnesses with no clear path out of this trial. sounds like he got the message. >> if you start calling him, democrats want to call mulvaney and pompeo. >> it's a trial. trials have witnesses. that's how it's supposed to work anyway. that as ted cruz says it's gone on long enough. >> they just want to drag it on. they're playing a delay game. they want to keep it open for weeks and months. >> it has been seven days. which doesn't seem like an awfully long time. it's an impeachment trial of the president of the united states. rand paul doesn't want to call bolton. he might sell more books.
>> i would say he's a witness very interested in making money right now. >> then there's mike brawn. who says we're just too polarized already. >> if we're this polarized we have to worry getting around that. >> it seems like hearing the facts from credible witness could make us less polarized. bolton should speak says johnson. not as a witness. >> tell what you know. i encourage him to do that. without involving trial. >> if you think bolton should tell what he knows, why wouldn't you want to do it as part of the trial? why wouldn't you want him to do it under oath? josh holly seems to think it's a problem there's a lot of news about impeachment. >> i imagine we'll get another one. this is tuesday. we're not voting probably on the
witness until friday. we'll have more stories. >> that sound like yur dismissing new evidence because there's so much of it. mark meadows thinks it's a plt to convince republicans to open up the trial to witnesses. >> this leak was deseened for one purpose and one purpose only. that was to try to manipulate the thinking of my republican cloegs in the senate. to encourage them to open it up and provide for more witnesses. >> roger wicker thinks it doesn't matter what bolton says. he says the president told him he was with holding aid to force ukraine to announce an investigation of the bideens. >> senator wicker thinks it's not grounds for impeachment. >> i basically think in agreement with a very scholarly approach that dershowitz gave.
that there's no article there that is grounds for impeachment only. >> speaking of dershowitz. it wasn't so long ago he calling then candidate trump corrupt. roll tape. >> you compare that to what trump has done with trump university. and so many other things. i think it's there's no comparison between who has engaged in more corruption and who is more likely to continue that if elected president of the united states. >> that was 2016. how things have changed. one thing that hasn't changed much is public opinion about calling witnesses. and another poll out tonight shows this. 75% of americans in a new poll say witnesses should be allowed
to testify. 75%. can you get 75% of americans to agree on anything? there you go. witnesses should be called. the big question in all of this now that we have heard from senators is will they hear what the american people are saying? that's a big question. one final note that i have for you. because this is personally important to me to address this. anyone, ask anyone who knows me. i don't believe in belittling people. belittling anyone for who they are, what they believe, or where they're from. during an interview on saturday night my guest said something that made me laugh. in the moment i found the joke humorous and didn't catch everything said. just to make this clear, i was laughing at the joke. and not at any group of people.
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the next phase of the impeachment trial gins tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. senators have two days for written questions. and they'll turn to the debate er whether or not to subpoena witnesses and documents. mitch mcconnell doesn't have the votes to block witnesses which he is desperate to do. here to analyze the stuff with me. first they're sitting here. we have to get to the a team. senator congressional correspondent. we appreciate you joining us. you have been doing great work. the majority leader is making it clear to senators the gop doesn't have the votes to block
witnesses. democrats don't have the votes to call them either. what's going on? >> mcconnell is saying they don't have the votes blocked down yet. they could get there. i'm told from top republicans they are confident they'll get the votes they need to reject that motion that would call for witnesses. if they do reject the vote expected on friday, the president could be acquitted in days. what the republicans have been making behind the scene ts the argument is if we move forward on what witness this could lead to endless parade of witnesses potentially on both sides and drag on the proceedings for sometime. talking to republicans including wirk of mississippi. saying we don't need to hear from bolton saying even if he says what is reported to the president linked ukraine aid to probes that that wouldn't be enough to be impeachable conduct. that doesn't necessarily mean they're defending the conduct.
they're saying it's not impeachable. >> is the conduct concerning in any way? >> do i agree with everything every president has done? no. does that include this president, yes. my voting record is something like 92.something% in support of a president trump positions. the question is not whether i think a phone call was perfect. or whether something was or not. lt question is this impeachable offense? >> that's where a will the of republican senators are coming down. they are saying what thard from the argumenting laid out so far is not enough to remove the president the from office or move forward with witnesses.
will there be four defectors. expectation if there are it will be six or seven republicans are ready to break ranks and join to vote subpoena witnesses and documents. at the moment those votes aren't there. a lot of work will have to happen behind the scenes before the friday vote. >> even if the democrats clear the hurdle on witnesses. they might lose some of their own when the vote when or not to convict comes up? >> several red state democrats are not ruling out the possibility of clearing president trump on the ultimate vote about whether to acquit or convict. including senator doug jones of alabama. in a difficult reelection race. joe mansion the west virginia democrat who voted for kavanaugh. confirmed him and cinema senators are looking at. she's not saying how what she's thinking about. watch for those individuals in particular as possible they
could split their votes. possibly clear the president potentially of obstruction of justice and convict him on abuse of power. he is still evaluating everything. and hope to make a decision after the question period is done. >> thank you very much. i appreciate that. i need to say earlier in the show we showed a congressman of mark meadows. a congressman not a senator. i want to bring in my a team. alice stewart. john done, laura coates and frank bruni. this is not an impeachable -- what is? >> that's the question one of the scholars had. what is? it's something that would be abcs they talk about. abuse of power o. betrayal of a nation. corruption of office in an election. you have to meet the korcriteri. enough to show the prerogative of the senate wants to acquit or
convict. >> another one said this is problematic. the actions of the president but at the same time not worthy of impeachment. this might be one action the democrats want to take because they're mad at the president. this is not grounds for impeachment. they're conflicting constitutional arguments on this. we heard them today. republicans say all you need in this instance is constitution and common sense. democrats are saying the same thing. >> i still don't know. what is impeachable if this isn't i don't know what is. i want to ask you. you have seen the reporting and heard the reporting. so what's your call on witnesses? how do you think it will go? >> i'm leaning ability 60, 40 there will be witnesses. there will be a breakthrough on bolton. that they can't really a number
of the senators are in tough races. it's a really rough thing o not have a fair trial. we staw that poll. 75% of the americans think there should be a fair trial. and should be witnesses. that's an unusual number. you can't get 75% of americans to agree on the time of day. >> i just said that. >> i think this pressure is going fo come down on the senate. >> i just thought about it. i saw dershowitz's name. they are hanging their hat on the argument. even if he said it, it's true. it wouldn't be impeachable. he is in the minority on that thinking. >> he is. note how you have a transition of the argument. it began a week and a half ago about the idea of you don't have new evidence to prove the president abused power and now it's even if it is true and
there's corroboration. and a firsthand witness is not enough. i have been thinking a lot. what would have happened if the "new york times" didn't release information about the manuscript and the idea i wonder what he would say was still in the air. opposed to having this sort of finite understanding at this point in time as to what he said. it gives republicans who are looking for an excuse to say i'll have my cake and eat it too. i don't have to call a witness now. i think i have seen the best part of the movie. and it's not enough to change my mind. >> were you watching me last night? i said the same thing. i think they're looking for any excuse. they can say, i did my due diligence. i can vote that way and boom. >> all right mr. "new york times." >> this is not genuine arguments. this is a predetermined conclusion. in search of arguments to get them back there.
the arguments keep changing as the facts change. >> do you have any behind the scenes? do you know he can say the times can report it. why doesn't he get in the front of the microphone? >> it's a great question. i don't know the answer. i want to respond to something you noted 75% of american that's an unusual number. you think there will be witnesses. we have an equally or more unusual president who is thirst and talent for retribution is nothing like we have seen. those republicans senators will be chilled by the 75% number. they are chilled by what the president is going to do on twitter and other formatts dare they cross him. >> look at the numbers of 75%. half are republicans. mcconnell will look very closely -- i have spoken with some in meetings with him today. one ted cruise made it clear he doesn't need to hear bolton. there's no new information that is going to compel to believe
the democrats made their case. and met the constitutional -- >> even a recording of trump saying hold aid. >> bolton should come forward with a moral obligation and not legal. others that tr met with mcconnell said the democrats haven't proven their case and mcconnell can get crafty with the motion for additional witnesses and say if we want to hear from bolton. let's hear from biden. schiff. that maybe enough right there to compel them to with hold their desire -- >> let me play this moment from this morning on fox and friends. >> i don't see when graham comes out and says bolton maybe a relevant witness. how do you avoid bringing him in now? >> lindsey graham says something different every hour. i saw him at the microphone saying there should be no
witnesses because the house had the ability to call witnesses and didn't do it. which is a flat out lie. >> john kelly believes him. it doesn't matter. the former chief of staff believes him. graham saying -- >> it doesn't matter. what if there's an audio of trump. it doesn't matter. they have gone to oh well, this isn't impeachable. they win either way. either there's no evidence or there's evidence and it's not impeachable. a predetermined conclusion. >> old video of democrats arguing against the clinton impeachment. >> they were right then, and they're right now. i'll leave you with some of those words. >> they must never be a narrowly voted impeachment or impeachment supported by one of our major political parties and opposed by the others. >> you would undo the free
election that expressed the will of the american people in 1996. >> the republicans are crossing out the impeachment standard of high crimes and misdemeanor. and they are inserting the words any crime. or misdemeanor. >> the constitutional provision for impeachment is way to protect the government and citizens not another weapon in the plitd cal arsenal. >> i expect history will show we lowered the bar on impeachment so much. it will be used as a routine tool to fight political battles. my fear is when a republican wins the white house, democrats will demand pay back. >> you were right. >> they were young back then. >> strategy today clearly was do
no damage and give the boss something that will please them. >> the democrats used the same strategy. it is effective. >> it shows a certain obvious degree of hypocrisy on the issues. >> amnesia. there's a very critical distinction between the facts now and before. it's a convenient amnesia. someone can make the argument. this is hypocritical. you have to look back in the time and think what's the distinction of now, alleged abuse of power involving a compromised national security and with holding a fund to ukraine. which affects us. >> they're not facts it's the law. >> we have a presumption of wrong doing. and that case we have actual bill clinton lying under oath. which is a violation. >> we heard from witnesses and evidence. we haven't heard from witnesses and no evidence. >> there's been quite a bit of
evidence. >> the reality is the house had all the ability in the world to subpoena people to come forward. >> i have to go. my next guests have a lot of insight on the impeachment. they spoke to over 200 trump officials for their best selling book. a book that's rocking the white house. watch this next segment after the break.
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the senate majority leader mcconnell telling republicans he doesn't have the votes right now sto stop witnesses from testifying at the impeachment trial. does this mean that we'll hear from john bolton? in his upcoming book he writes the president directly tied ukraine aid to investigations into the bidens. the president legal team claiming it doesn't change anything. >> responding to an unpublished manuscript that maybe some reporters have an idea of maybe what it says. that's what the evidence, if you call that evidence.
i don't know what it is. i call it inadmissible. >> joining me now the authors of the new book a very stable genius. trump's testing of america. i'm so happy you're hear. thank you for coming in. i can't wait to dig into this. my producer took it off my desk and started mine. now i have another copy. >> thank you so much. you have done a lot of reporting on bolton's relationship with the president and found the men are polar opposites. >> to some degree. bolton came into the president's orbit trying to take advantage of the moment. an opportunist if you will. he has an agenda on iran and saw an opportunity to enact what he wanted done in foreign policy with trump. over the course of the year working together, bolton to some degree has manipulated the president. he took notes of the president's
private conversations that will be in the book. creating huge challenges. potentially in the impeachment trial for the president if he comes forward and testifies and it's become a dire situation for trump. >> it's interesting it was a controversial hire. or pick for the president. because bolton wasn't he the exact opposite of what the president ran on? getting us out of war and so on and so forth. not being a hawk. >> trump bragged -- remember a bush hold over is somebody who was the third national security adviser of the president. he had been through two. one caught up in a fbi investigation. mi michael flynn. and the second one he mocked not strong enough. the president bragged that bolton was so conservative and so much a hawk, he was actually tougher than me. which was a big compliment.
>> you talked to 200 officials. from what we know so far, it's trump portrayed in bolton's book the way he's portrayed is the same in your book? >> very similar. there's a similar theme. bolton is a person who like so many others the president didn't like being reigned in. he didn't like anyone giving him counsel and warning him away from doing certain things. the trajectory of the presidency is presidency of one. it's driving the grown ups out of the room. the difference with bolton is he got driven out of the room. but took notes with him. or a lot of memories. >> i want you to watch this. this is the president's legal team in the opening arguments and claiming that president trumps priority is fighting corruption in ukraine. >> the president also expressed
concerns about corruption in ukraine. >> the president had long standing and sincere concerns about corruption in ukraine. >> president trump shared his concern about corruption. the president raised concerns about ukrainian corruption. >> you have new reporting that says otherwise. that discredits that. >> our reporting in a stable genius blows a hole in that argument. the president in 2017 actually asked his secretary of state then to go about dismantling the foreign corrupt practices act. a law that prevented american companies from doing bribes over seas with foreign officials to get new business. he thought it was unfair to businesses in america. and wanted to enable corruption. he asked the secretary of state to get rid of the law. that's not something anyone has the authority to do. so the law remains. the idea that trump has been committed to rooting out
corruption abroad doesn't stand up to the reporting. >> he didn't even mention ukraine corruption until now. throughout the tenure of the presidency. until it came to wanting to get an investigation into joe biden. you saw the israel prime minister at the white house today. hours after he was formally indicted on corruption charges. if he cares about fighting corruption. he has a funny way of showing it. >> it seems odd. we see that multiple times the president said he wanted this aid blocked and his aid his chief of staff agreed to do it. everyone though at the time the government accountability office said it was illegal. there was not a justification that was appropriate to blocking aid. the president wanted it badly and willing to break the law according to the goa to do it. >> this is the president and pr reporter. the president weighed in.
>> i was very impressive. that reporter couldn't have done too good a job on you yesterdaymeyesterday. he did a good job on her. >> berating a reporter. giing him a gold star. >> the president has made the media a separate party in a way in our democracy. that's not our job. we are at work. trying tro trying to report the facts. we're not at war with the administration. some of the facts are unflattering. and probably unwelcome. and the president hasn't really liked the thing he's read about our book. they are rigorously reported, vetted, fact checked and we're very proud of what we were able to learn inside the room. >> we're not perfect.
we say we get it wrong, apologize and move on. >> the comment fits a pattern of behavior of his of the authoritarian impulses. senior officials told us they are concerned about that behavior. kp they think it's clear and present danger for the country. >> thank you very much. >> new information about why the helicopter carrying kobe bryant and eight other passengers crashed. we'll have that. and tributes to the lakers legend are coming in tonight. we're carvana, the company who invented car vending machines and buying a car 100% online.
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20 to 30 feet. how the legend spent hi final hours. >> the record will show basketball legend kobe bryant was living his best life. he retired from professional basketball in 2016. but his love of the game and family was ever present. one day before the fatal crash, this photograph snapped. bryant and his 13 year-old daughter watching laker legend's daughter practice. she wrote i knew y'all were watching over me. i was trying my best to impress both of you. social media is also where bryant's last public words are posted. about the achievement of another american icon. lebron james. as he surpassed bryant's scoring record. saturday 10:39 p.m. he tweeted continuing to move the game forward. much respect my brother.
number 33644. that's the number of baskets james had just made. james revealed the two had talked after his record setting day. i literally just heard your voice sunday morning. before i left philly to head to l.a. didn't think for one bit in a million years that would be the last conversation we had. i'm heartbroken. and devastated. bryant began his sunday in prayer. >> he was quite a man of faith. >> he went to the prayer chapel before 7:00 a.m. in new port beach. >> he came here as person of faith and prayed. prayed alopg with the rest of us. >> he headed to be there on the a big day for his daughter. it was supposed to be the first day of the basketball tournament at the mamba academy. the plan was to get there fast and easy. they took the helicopter. this video shows their chopper
as they flew in dangerously foggy conditions. everyone grounded police choppers. it was flying so low, air traffic control said it couldn't follow the path on radar. >> you're still too low level for flight at this full-time. >> before 10:00 a.m., it crashed. in an area investigators call a logistical nightmare. all nine on board perished. the bryants. basketball coach. and local legend baseball coach. his wife and childhood friends and teammates. as well as the pilot. all of them gone. this is the moment news of the crash made it to the mamba academy tournament. stunned silence. ending the sound of joyful play. the crash left families destroyed. and fans distraught.
>> you have tears in your eyes, sweetheart. >> i miss kobe. >> i can't fathom to noknow her pain. losing a husband and daughter. and the other families losing a mom, dad and daughter. it's unthinkable. >> one of the last it speak to kobe bryant tried to soothe the sorrow filled. knowing kobe spent his last hours in the house of prayer. >> he came and went quietly and prayed. and gave his life to the lord. yesterday he gave it back. >> o neil with an emotional remembrance tonight. sh . ever
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. basketball fans and people around the world mourning the tragic loss of kobe bryant, his 13-year-old daughter gianna, seven others killed in a helicopter crash on sunday. former lakers legend shaquille o'neill spoke emotionally about his former teammate tonight during tnt's nba coverage. >> it makes me think that, in life, sometimes instead of holding back certain things we should just do. >> d. wade -- >> we up here, we work a lot and i think a lot of times we take stuff for granted. like, i don't talk to you guys as much as i need to. the fact that we're not going to
be able to joke at his hall of fame ceremony -- life is too short. i never -- i could never imagine nothing like this. i was thinking the other day, i've never seen anything like this, all the basketball idols that i grew up, i see them. they're old. like i used to be at home when you came to interview me, ernie, i used to want to be dr. j, he used to live next door to my mother in orlando. my father told me about the three great big men, i've met them, i've seen them. the fact that we lost probably the world's greatest laker, the world's greatest basketball player, is just -- listen, people going to say take your time and get better. but it's going to be hard for me. >> joining me is the co-host of
high noon on espn. you can hear it in shak's voice, raw and emotional. >> kobe's thing was so ruthless and cut throat as a basketball player, i don't think that you would have viewed him -- probably the first 10 for 15 years of his career, being somebody that hit people in the heart. but when this happened, so many people have been in a bit of a date about this, not just because of the tragedy of the particular sarks but we grew up with this dude. we've known him since he was 17 years old. we knew who he went to the prom with, we saw him publicly go through the ups and downs of growing up before people realized how to manicure teenagers. we got him in a rawer form. especially people who really rooted for the lakers, they feel like they raised him, they helped take him to the place that he is -- to where he was by the time all was said and done.
i get where they're coming from. looking at it now i'm stunned by the personal connection i had i didn't realize i had. >> someone said to me the other night, as they came into work, this is the first time i've cried about someone i didn't know. we knew him from lower merion high school, his first acting experience. what shaq alluded to in his answer there, the sort of feeling robbed of what else kobe was sort of robbed of. i guess we were too. of what else he was going to achieve. where else we were going to watch him achieve. >> yeah, i talked to somebody yesterday who knew kobe and they said that all these other things that he's gotten sfwo, the breadth of his interests we got to see, the injuries started happening, he realized that there was something else other than being the best basketball player in the world, an investment in being a husband and father and those sorts of things. once that happened we got to see him ease into retirement.
he had about three years to ease into what the rest of his life was going to be and we saw it develop in this really interesting way and then there's, you know, the happenstance of this man was then born with all these daughters. so that wound up being apparently an awakening for them and the role he played in his daughters' lives, and what that broadcast to the way people love him. on the day that we lost him, i think for a lot of people you really looked at it and realized there was no cynicism associated with it, you looked at it. i think we saw a total human being that ten years ago we may not have expected to have seen in this place. >> yeah. the first person on espn that you ever spoke to in the locker room. >> first time i ever went into a locker room, a charity game for hurricane katrina in 2005, never done anything like this, and i'm petrified, just standing there. kobe was there, and i looked over, there's kobe, i literally don't know what to do. i don't understand the
circumstances. he kind of gave me a wave over and i went and talked to him and he could not have been nicer. at that point in my life i'm more a fan, and i'm not aligned with him in my basketball fandom thing. how nice he was to me in that time and later looking back it and realizing this is the most fearless dude in the world. it's nice of that dude to look at something he cannot relate to. scared, i don't know what that is. hey, dude, i know you're scared, that stuck with me for a long time. >> that way with a bunch of people, i hear, took them under his wing, and made them feel comfortable. and he made us feel comfortable and we loved watching him, and watched him grow up, really, as you said. thank you. >> thank you, man. >> really appreciate you joining us. of course, i wish it was under better circumstances but we appreciate you coming in and sharing that. thanks for watching, everyone, our live special coverage of the impeachment trial of donald trump continues with anderson
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good evening again, the impeachment trial, the pressure to call witnesses, especially former national security adviser john bolton and the republican effort to resist it. the pressure reflected a new poll out with quinnipiac, showing 75% of registered voters wanting to hear testimony at the trial, among that number 49% of republicans, the resistance is being ledpy senate majority leader mcconnell and as that unfolds the trial itself is about to enter the next phase. manu raju will be there for all of it. he joins us now. where do the republican votes stand now with witnesses? >> they don't have the republican votes and mitch mcconnell doesn't have the votes to block witnesses from going forward. a number of key republicans are still holding back how they'll vote, not committing one way or the other, saying they still want to deal with the questions that will occur tomorrow and